User talk:JSpuller

Corrections

• Coat of Arms
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  Arches quarters update. Dynham quarterd Arches as heirs, Arundell quartered Dynahm (with Arches) as heir of the heir

New Arms requests

Illeshazy or rather Illésházy - Barons and counts. Their arms shows a blue shield with a black eagle being pierced by an arrow, the stance of the eagle (or hawk?) is somewhat different on some variants regarding the fact is it being pierced or also holding an arrow in its beak. First variant examples: example 1, example 2, example 3., example 4. However I believe this variant is actually just a simple variant of how the arms is really supposed to look which is shown in far more prevalent variant which shows the eagle having a bit of a different stance: example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4, example 5, example 6, example 7, example 8, example 9, etc, etc.

Cavalcabo - Lords of Cremona, Marquises of Viadana. Branch of the famed Obertenghi family, later known as Welf or Welf-Este. The arms is a knight riding a bull. example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4, etc.

Tudor Fynchan - Also called Theodor or Theodore. Senior line descended from eldest son of Ednyfed Fychan from his 1st marriage. Their arms was a modification of Ednyfed Fynchan arms and is blazoned as "gules, a chevron between three men's heads in profile argent". The arms is basically that of Ednyfed but the heads are in profile (similar to Degenberg and Heidenberg) as opposed to affrontee and completely white, the chevron is also plain without the ermine spots. In general arms is similar to this arms but with normal heads instead of moor heads.

Griffith Penrhyn - same line as above but from younger descendant in later generations. Arms is blazoned as: "gules, a chevron ermine, three old men's heads couped at the neck in profile proper". Difference between the previous arms and these are that the chevron is ermine and that the heads are proper, but described as "old heads" means the hair and beard is white. example

Williams Vaynol - Lords and Baronets of Vaynol. The blazon is: "gules, a chevron ermine between three Saracens heads couped proper". Again same arms as previous but the heads are now colored "proper"...i.e. proper skin color, proper hair (brown) color example here...note that the file is named after Penrhyn but it is wrong, this is the arms of Vaynol branch.

Williams Penrhyn - Line from younger scions of Williams line as previous. They were Lords of Cochwillan and later Baronets of Penrhyn. Arms is: "Gules, a chevron ermine between three Saracen heads affrontee couped at shoulders proper". The arms is very similar to Ednyfed original arms however the heads have an extension, all in all the way it should be shown is similar to Vaughan arms where you can see the shoulders.

Comment

Hello JSpuller I see you have taken an interest in the Norwegian Nobility and edited away my contributions concerning the House of Rosensverd. The proper Heraldic name is House if Rosensverd. Rosensverd means Rosensword and as you obviously see, the name is the Heraldic Name based on the Coats of Arms Secondly, allthough the family is sometimes reffered to as Handingman and similiar variations, that name is based on a misspelling of one their titles given by king Ering in Norwegian "Håndgangne Menn" Which means Hirdmen in English and is a title in Norwegian - not a name. So, to kall the family by a mispelling of one of their titles is not appropriate. It tantamounts to for instance kalling the House of Sverre for instance House of Klinge, in an attempt to write House of King, because they were kings. So, as houses are called by their Herladic names and not by their titles, it is improper to call it ""House of the Hird"" or in Norwegian House of the Håndgangne Menn or the misspelling House of Hardinman. It would be llike calling the House of Windsor "House of Kringe" - "House of King" etc.

Secondly: The House of Rosensverd are direct decendants of Haakon V Magnusson and hold the Sudrheim claim to the throne. The descendants of a King are by definition Princes. Amongst other things. Thus, I think it is preferable if we divide our contributions to our respective fields of expertise. Mine is Norway as I am Norwegian and knows more about the topic than most others.

Thirdly The Rosensverds swore allegiance to King Eric before he became king And never ceased defending him and then later became Eric King`s Thanes & Hird in 1458 and still are. So as I am oblliged to set the record straight on behalf of the Norwegian nobility I`ll undo your deletions and ask you respect that as a befitting of one gentleman to another, If you have any further questions I`ll be happy to answer them.

Fourthly I would like to salute you four your beutiful version of the Coat of Arms. I truly appreciated that and found it vastly better looking than the old file. It is really tasteful and beautiful So thank you for your excellent taste.

I trust we have cleared up the matter and that you agree to my propsal and if I may be of service to you let me know, Thank you.

Comment

So what exactly is wrong with the files I am uploading now? I am editing in illustrator, following your guidelines and you still reupload every single file I post even for a simple recolor...you even reuploaded the files I literally reuploaded that you made and uploaded under erroneous names... Finellach (talk) 14:06, 11 February 2022 (CET)

Your files are still "corrupt", meaning strokes are expanded to elements. So until you manage to save files correctly I have to fix those as I can't use "corrupted" files.

• Corrupt vs fully editable files
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• File:Fully-Editable.png

So I am editing (using YOUR DIRECTIONS) in Illustrator and you tell me the files are still "corrupted"? So how about you actually post proper instructions with visual examples of how to save a file that would suit you and not me (and others) trying to "manage"? Finellach (talk) 14:29, 6 March 2022 (CET)

This might help. These are the slightly different settings I've long been using and never had any compatibility problem. I found those to be more consistent & tolerant when uploading files on the website (had problems with Style Attributes since AI 2020 I think or even earlier).

• SVG Options
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--Solo (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2022 (CET)

Hey Joakim,
About the "ancient arms" of Flanders. Those have little to do with Flanders at least at the time of the 1st crusade (and arguably later either), as they are simply the arms of the Charbogne-Armoises family (technically it's even a duplicate of Wijnbergen 864 Armoises.svg) adopted by Jeanne de Rethel (stepdaughter of Nicolas de Charbogne - count of Rethel de j.u. - who had married his mother Isabelle de Grandpré) and introduced those in Flanders after she married Louis de Dampierre.
They were possibly later promoted/revived with a political agenda as they are somewhat reminiscent of the arms of the Duchy of Burgundy (a convenient attribution) : those have been suggested to be a burgundian fabrication by more than one author in the past and it's not too far fetched that they could have been rebranded as such for that very reason in late medieval armorials.
Despite what wikipedia says, the only certain thing here is that the Balduinids and their successors up to Philippe d'Alsace (his seal being the first testimony of any heraldic practice in that comital line) never used those and are absolutely not related to the Armoises-Charbogne family (of rather modest origin otherwise). In the end, the traditionnal lion arms are a much safer bet if any 1st crusade attribution is to be made (other families simply feature arms from their first known testimonies instead of a blank shield so why would it be different in this case ?)--Solo (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2022 (CEST)

Can provide some information on the Alexander Arches and William Arches arms you uploaded...who are those two? Trying to identify is hard enough...even harder with such family as Arches which had numerous branches with little to almost no information on them. Thx. Finellach (talk) 15:36, 30 August 2022 (CEST)