Talk:Marquisate of Provence

I wasn't sure where to place the page : Orange is in Germania, Provence, Forcalquier, Viennois and Valentinois are in Francia and Savoy in Italia. Surely there's a more consistent way to represent imperial lands located in modern France.Solo (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I've moved Orange to Francia, it got "stuck" in Germania somehow since the start of this page... Savoy for example could be in both Italia and in Francia, as long as they point to the same page. JSpuller (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Orange should in fact be in Germania IMOas we placed it there from the start due to fact it was a vassal state of the Holy Roman Empire. We had a similar issue with some of the Low Countries but in general with the political entities in between what is now Germany and France, Benelux and Northwestern Italy the picture isn't really clear since some of them changed hands and political affiliations throughout centuries. As for Savoy...the thing there is kinda weird since it was part of HRE but since we have the Italia section we decided to put it there...although that whole region would politically and historically belong within Germania. So the question is do we place them by modern geo-political understanding what "Francia" or "Germania" would be...or we go with the vassalage i.e. the old geo-political context. Finellach (talk)