User talk:Finellach

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Finellach. when you upload a remake/new version of an arms that I've uploaded something gets "wrong" as I often can't edit your file without Illustrator crashing or that the stroke weight gets corrupted when I save the file. What program are you using for editing arms and what is your 'svg options'?

Well I usually use Inkscape since most of the edits I do is are mostly simple, rearranging, minor line corrections, re-coloring, etc. Except ofc for the quartered arms I make but I had no issue using any file whatsoever so far. I did however notice that some files do not want to load in illustrator and just simply crash it but I rarely use illustrator anyway.

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Sorry for the mess with http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Czechoslovakia_1920-1960.svg ~~Dughorm

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Hey, what is the source for http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Sviatoslav_I_of_Kiev.svg? Sviatoslav's symbol was not heraldic, predating heraldry by a century or so, and I have never encountered it being used by later Rurikids in a heraldic design, or attributed. ~~Dughorm

@Dughorn It's a symbol from his seal. BTW I didn't make that coat of arms, Joakim did. I just corrected the tincture on it as far as I remember. Finellach (talk) 17:05, 12 May 2020 (CEST) Edit: I forgot to add, Rurikids are a mess right now...I wanted to develop them a bit more, especially since they had so many branches but the whole thing is so damn confusing I just gave up every time. Wish I could find some better source with their heraldry and their branches.

Im curious, what's your reference for the lion gutée being the ancient arms of the Nevilles of Langham ?
The first (and only) recorded occurence I could find in ordinaries (for any similar design) is noted in Thomas Jenyns' (dated 1410) :
106 "John Neville le forester Gules a lion argent gutée Sable" while 61 is "John Neville of Essex Azure a lion Or" in the same roll
Coincidentally, in that tincture order, those are the also used in 14th c. rolls by the Hamelyns, another family of Leicestershire, close neighbours of the Rearsby manor
There are several seals of the Neville of Essex with the regular lion from the 13th c. and a dozen corresponding Azure a lion Or entries from many rolls (Watford, St George, Parliamentary, Powell, etc)
On the other hand, the Nevilles dit le Forester in lincs and leics (in Cleatham and Rearsby I think) had very different arms (in seals and rolls, some earlier so more likely to be actual ancient arms) : the main type is a chief (or per fess) indented and a bend overall (far too many variations to list them here).
The Laceby subline used yet another different design (Or lozengy Gules, a canton ermine)--Solo (talk) 23:28, 20 July 2020 (CEST)