Talk:House of Auvergne

I can give more details but I'll try to sum this up.
The counts of Clermont aren't cadets of the house of Auvergne.
A cadet branch of the family usurped the title from the legitimate count Guillaume VIII, whose son adopted another dynasty's name and arms : Dauphin (born Robert), count of Auvergne and Clermont, was the son of Marquise d'Albon.
The probable first arms of the county are known by Guillaume VIII's seal showing two lions passants.
Dauphin's descendants' title is count of Auvergne and/or Clermont until the late XIIIth century. In the XIVth century they will follow the change made by the counts of Viennois (the first known mention of the title of delphinus viennensis appears around 1230) and adopt the title of dauphins d'Auvergne.

I was quite aware of that when I was making the page. The main line was ousted and remained in small part of the original county...then renamed themselves and took title and arms from the Albon via the mother of the usurped "young count". The thing here is the fact they decided to rename themselves in a way qualifies them as a cadet line in any case...as was the custom then and even now. Let's take an example of the original Anjou/Plantagenet family...they are the main line, however when adopting new titles and name they are historically considered cadets. But...we can modify it (this article) and reverse it but it will be an issue how to name them...I've noticed some pages you made recently like the Allemand family and it looks very very confusing as you have both the main line and the cadets all named the same...usually on this page, and as is the case in most historical sources, we add the name of their main estate to their name...even if they in actuality didn't perhaps use it in official sources but it needs to be done to differentiate. And if you understand what I am saying here and then taking into consideration this family...then ofc you realize we have a problem. ;) Finellach (talk) 04:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)