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No one says Anjou ''moderne'' was their family arms, it was not. But it was the modernized arms used by Rene in the context as Duke of Anjou and it was him who introduced the arms in the first place. His son died the very year when the new arms was introduced (probably a bit before even) so yeah, ofc he never used it since he was dead. His grandson never became Duke of Anjou but inherited Lorraine instead and ofc could not use something which was not his. And his nephew who did succeeded him was a duke barely over a year. So basically we have Rene who was the last proper Duke of Anjou introducing new arms and used it. What is the problem? | No one says Anjou ''moderne'' was their family arms, it was not. But it was the modernized arms used by Rene in the context as Duke of Anjou and it was him who introduced the arms in the first place. His son died the very year when the new arms was introduced (probably a bit before even) so yeah, ofc he never used it since he was dead. His grandson never became Duke of Anjou but inherited Lorraine instead and ofc could not use something which was not his. And his nephew who did succeeded him was a duke barely over a year. So basically we have Rene who was the last proper Duke of Anjou introducing new arms and used it. What is the problem? | ||
Rene didn't have to use plain version of it. It is there to show how and why that esceutcheon on Rene's arms got there on his shield and what it symbolizes. D'Este never used their three fleurs augmentation as a plain shield either and yet we have it as a plain arms on their page just to show it. Howards never used their augmentation of a Scottish lion pierced as a plain shield and yet we have it to show it. I can list you at least a dozen other examples on this site as well. | Rene didn't have to use plain version of it. It is there to show how and why that esceutcheon on Rene's arms got there on his shield and what it symbolizes. D'Este never used their three fleurs augmentation as a plain shield either and yet we have it as a plain arms on their page just to show it. Howards never used their augmentation of a Scottish lion pierced as a plain shield and yet we have it to show it. I can list you at least a dozen other examples on this site as well. Edit: Also if you want to be really precise the other arms isn't a family CoA either, but a personal arms of Louis I who used it until 1382 until he inherited claims on Jerusalem and Naples from his cousin, after which he used the dimidiated variant also used by his son and grandson, until Rene who was younger brother of Louis III and grandson of Louis I and who changed his arms probably more than he changed his underwear. The only arms we can really consider family arms is the dimidiated Jerusalem-Naples-Valois arms. | ||
Revision as of 22:34, 28 March 2016
Actually Valois-Anjou did use the modern variant of Anjou arms. They were the ones to introduce it, namely Rene of Anjou in his final arms variant (1470-1480) as esceutcheon and it was most likely used by both his son and his grandson (his heirs to the duchy) as their simple arms.
No one says Anjou moderne was their family arms, it was not. But it was the modernized arms used by Rene in the context as Duke of Anjou and it was him who introduced the arms in the first place. His son died the very year when the new arms was introduced (probably a bit before even) so yeah, ofc he never used it since he was dead. His grandson never became Duke of Anjou but inherited Lorraine instead and ofc could not use something which was not his. And his nephew who did succeeded him was a duke barely over a year. So basically we have Rene who was the last proper Duke of Anjou introducing new arms and used it. What is the problem?
Rene didn't have to use plain version of it. It is there to show how and why that esceutcheon on Rene's arms got there on his shield and what it symbolizes. D'Este never used their three fleurs augmentation as a plain shield either and yet we have it as a plain arms on their page just to show it. Howards never used their augmentation of a Scottish lion pierced as a plain shield and yet we have it to show it. I can list you at least a dozen other examples on this site as well. Edit: Also if you want to be really precise the other arms isn't a family CoA either, but a personal arms of Louis I who used it until 1382 until he inherited claims on Jerusalem and Naples from his cousin, after which he used the dimidiated variant also used by his son and grandson, until Rene who was younger brother of Louis III and grandson of Louis I and who changed his arms probably more than he changed his underwear. The only arms we can really consider family arms is the dimidiated Jerusalem-Naples-Valois arms.
