User talk:NSamson: Difference between revisions

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To sign your posts on talk pages, use four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message. -NSamson (talk) 02:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Comments

Folio 170a. The man who made modern illustration has been confirmed as credible source on many occasions. He is behind the sites such as Aspilogia.com and so on. Finellach (talk) 22:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

BTW you are right, it is most likely that the arms with three lions is in fact FitzMatthew...I just noticed it appears in Historia Anglorum. Still the colors are reversed. Cheerio. Finellach (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Categorization

With over 13000 files, I propose that we add categories for each file, so that arms containing the same charge may be grouped properly.

Also, this is the closest thing I could think of in order to find arms by blazon.

For example, the Capet arms is categorized as Fleur-de-lys.

Arms containing more than one charge would have several categories, until each and every charge contained in the arms had been identified.

If a charge cannot be identified, it should also be categorized as 'Unidentified Charge', even if the other charges could be identified. If another user could identify the charge, the 'Unidentified Charge' category for that specific arms should be deleted and replaced with the proper identification. -NSamson (talk) 02:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

This is a great idea, but personally I don't really think its feasible given the sparse amount of members this wiki has. Novov (talk) 08:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Method

Export as Plain SVG. Open - realign to center and middle

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-Actually Valois-Anjou did use the ''modern'' variant of Anjou arms. They were the ones to introduce it, namely Rene of Anjou in his final arms variant (1470-1480) as esceutcheon and it was most likely used by both his son and his grandson (his heirs to the duchy) as their simple arms.
+To sign your posts on talk pages, use four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>) at the end of your message. -[[User:NSamson|NSamson]] ([[User talk:NSamson|talk]]) 02:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
-No one says Anjou ''moderne'' was their family arms, it was not. But it was the modernized arms used by Rene in the context as Duke of Anjou and it was him who introduced the arms in the first place. His son died the very year when the new arms was introduced (probably a bit before even) so yeah, ofc he never used it since he was dead. His grandson never became Duke of Anjou but inherited Lorraine instead and ofc could not use something which was not his. And his nephew who did succeeded him was a duke barely over a year. So basically we have Rene who was the last proper Duke of Anjou introducing new arms and used it. What is the problem?
+==Comments==
+[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MP-Liber_Additamentorum-170a.jpg Folio 170a]. The man who made modern illustration has been confirmed as credible source on many occasions. He is behind the sites such as Aspilogia.com and so on. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 22:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
-Rene didn't have to use plain version of it. It is there to show how and why that esceutcheon on Rene's arms got there on his shield and what it symbolizes. D'Este never used their three fleurs augmentation as a plain shield either and yet we have it as a plain arms on their page just to show it. Howards never used their augmentation of a Scottish lion pierced as a plain shield and yet we have it to show it. I can list you at least a dozen other examples on this site as well. Edit: Also if you want to be really precise the other arms isn't a family CoA either, but a personal arms of Louis I who used it until 1382 until he inherited claims on Jerusalem and Naples from his cousin, after which he used the dimidiated variant also used by his son and grandson, until Rene who was younger brother of Louis III and grandson of Louis I and who changed his arms probably more than he changed his underwear. The only arms we can really consider family arms is the dimidiated Jerusalem-Naples-Valois arms.
+BTW you are right, it is most likely that the arms with three lions is in fact FitzMatthew...I just noticed it appears in Historia Anglorum. Still the colors are reversed. Cheerio. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 23:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
+==Categorization==
+With over 13000 files, I propose that we add categories for each file, so that arms containing the same charge may be grouped properly.
+Also, this is the closest thing I could think of in order to find arms by blazon.
+For example, the Capet arms is categorized as Fleur-de-lys.
+Arms containing more than one charge would have several categories, until each and every charge contained in the arms had been identified.
+If a charge cannot be identified, it should also be categorized as 'Unidentified Charge', even if the other charges could be identified. If another user could identify the charge, the 'Unidentified Charge' category for that specific arms should be deleted and replaced with the proper identification. -[[User:NSamson|NSamson]] ([[User talk:NSamson|talk]]) 02:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
+This is a great idea, but personally I don't really think its feasible given the sparse amount of members this wiki has. [[User:Novov|Novov]] ([[User talk:Novov|talk]]) 08:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
+==Method==
+Export as Plain SVG.
+Open - realign to center and middle