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In the castle of Ravel, located in Auvergne, exists an aula decorated with a long fresco featuring the arms of various princes and local nobles.<br>
In the castle of Ravel, located in Auvergne, exists an aula decorated with a long fresco featuring the arms of various princes and local nobles.<br>
Pierre Flotte (d.1302), councillor of Philippe IV le Bel, received the castle as a gift from the king in 1294.<br>
Pierre Flotte (d.1302), councillor of Philippe IV le Bel, received the castle as a gift from the king in 1294.<br>
The shield of Louis de France, as king of Navarre, used after his mother's death in 1305, allows us to date the realization of those wall paintings between 1305 and 1314.<br>
The dating of these frescs are still in debate. It is most probable that Pierre Flote ordered them around 1300-1301, but his death on 11/07/1302 was premature to see them finished.
The shield of Louis de France, as king of Navarre, seems a good candidate to date them after his mother's death in 1305. But his seal before that date already shows the mi-parti France-Navarra. A better candidate seems Othon comte de Bourgogne who is also present. He died 1303. This allows us to date the realization of those wall paintings between 1300 and 1303.<br>


<gallery caption="Southern Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
<gallery caption="Southern Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
Capet_Ancient.svg|1. Philippe IV de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">King of France</span>
Capet_Ancient.svg|1. Philippe IV le Bel<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">King of France</span>
England_Segar.svg|2. Edward II Plantagenêt<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">King of England</span>
England_Segar.svg|2. Edward I Plantagenêt<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">King of England</span>
Capet_Navarre.svg|3. Louis X de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">King of Navarre<br>Count of Champagne</span>
Capet_Navarre.svg|3. Louis le Hutin<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Future king of France and Navarre</span>
Valois.svg|4. Charles de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Valois</span>
Valois.svg|4. Charles de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Valois</span>
Ravel 5 Evreux.svg|5. Louis de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Evreux</span>
RAV05 Evreux.svg|5. Louis de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Evreux</span>
Blank.svg|6. Unreadable<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Ravel-6.svg|6. Unreadable<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Pictures show a hint of a quarterly shield with a lion top left<br>Possibly Alphonse de la Cerda?</span>
Capet_Bourbon.svg|7. Robert de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Clermont<br>Lord of Bourbon</span>
Capet_Bourbon.svg|7. Robert de Bourbon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Clermont-en-Bauvaisis<br>Lord of Bourbon</span>
Dauphin_Auvergne_Gelre.svg|8. Robert III Dauphin<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Dauphin d'Auvergne<br>Count of Clermont-Auvergne</span>
Dauphin_Auvergne_Gelre.svg|8. Robert Dauphin<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Dauphin d'Auvergne<br>Count of Clermont-Auvergne</span>
Burgundy.svg|9. Hugues V de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Duke of Burgundy</span>
Burgundy.svg|9. Robert de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Duke of Burgundy</span>
Ravel 10 Auvergne.svg|10. Robert VI d'Auvergne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Auvergne and Boulogne</span>
Ravel 10 Auvergne.svg|10. Robert d'Auvergne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Auvergne and Boulogne</span>
Pierre_I_de_Dreux.svg|11. Arthur II de Dreux<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Duke of Brittany</span>
Pierre_I_de_Dreux.svg|11. Jean de Bretagne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Duke of Brittany</span>
Forez.svg|12. Jean de Forez<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Forez</span>
Forez.svg|12. Jean de Forez<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Forez</span>
Dreux.svg|13. Jean II de Dreux<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Dreux<br>Chambrier of France</span>
Dreux.svg|13. Jean de Dreux<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Dreux<br>Chambrier of France</span>
Ravel 14 Chatillon Saint Pol.svg|14. Guy IV de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Saint Pol<br>Grand Bouteiller of France</span>
Ravel 14 Chatillon Saint-Pol.svg|14. Guy de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Saint Pol<br>Grand Bouteiller of France</span>
Champagne.svg|15. Louis X de France<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Champagne<br>King of Navarre</span>
Ravel 15 Jean-Sancerre.svg|15. Jean de Sancerre<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Brother of the Count of Sancerre</span>
Ravel 16 Clermont.svg|16. Aubert Aycelin<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Bishop of Clermont</span>
Ravel 16 Clermont.svg|16. Uncertain<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Probably the Bishop of Clermont</span>
Comte Bourgogne Bergshammar.svg|17. Robert de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Burgundy</span>
Ivrea.svg|17. Otton de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Burgundy</span>
Bazoches.svg|18. Hugues de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Leuze and Condé</span>
Ravel 18 Chatillon Blois.svg|18. Hugues de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Blois</span>
</gallery>
</gallery>


<gallery caption="Western Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
<gallery caption="Western Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
Ravel 19 Flotte.svg|19. Guillaume Flotte<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ravel</span>
Blank.svg|Destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Originally one shield was located here, destroyed by enlarging the window.</span>
Ravel 20 Isabeau de Bourgogne.svg|20. Isabeau de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Daughter of Duke Hugues IV</span>
Blank.svg|Destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Originally one shield was located here, destroyed by enlarging the window.</span>
Ravel 21.svg|21. Rochefort d'Aurouze<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Ravel 19 Flotte.svg|19. Guillaume Flote<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ravel</span>
Ravel 22 Chatelperron.svg|22. Guichard de Châtelperron<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Châtelperron</span>
Ravel 20 Isabeau de Bourgogne.svg|20. Isabeau de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Sister of Duke Robert of Burgundy</span>
Ravel 23 Jean des Barres.svg|23. Jean des Barres<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Councilor of the King<br>Marshal of France</span>
Ravel 21 Rochefort.svg|21. Bertrand de Rochefort d'Aurouze<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Rochefort d'Aurouze</span>
Blank.svg|Destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Originally one shield was located here, destroyed by enlarging the window.</span>
Blank.svg|Destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Originally one shield was located here, destroyed by enlarging the window.</span>
Blank.svg|Destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Originally one shield was located here, destroyed by enlarging the window.</span>
Ravel 22 Chatelperron 2.svg|22. Hugues de Châtelperron<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Châtelperron</span>
Ravel 23 Chatillon-en-Bazois.svg|23. Robert de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Châtillon-en Bazois</span>
</gallery>
</gallery>


<gallery caption="Northern Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
<gallery caption="Northern Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
Ravel 24 Azenieres.svg|24. Azenières<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Ravel 24 Azenieres.svg|24. Lionnet d'Azenière<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Azenières</span>
Ravel 25 Montaigu.svg|25. Guérin de Montaigu<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Montaigut</span>
Ravel 25 Montaigu.svg|25. Assalit de Tourzel<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Tourzel</span>
Damas.svg|26. Hugues IV de Damas-Couzan<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Couzan</span>
Damas.svg|26. Hugues Damas de Cousans<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Couzan</span>
Ravel 27.svg|27. Armand VII de Polignac<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Viscount of Polignac</span>
Polignac.svg|27. Armand Guillaume de Polignac<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Viscount of Polignac</span>
Ravel 28.svg|28. Humbert Guy de Chabannes<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Chabannes</span>
Ravel 28 Montaigut.svg|28. Pierre de Montaigut<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Montaigut-le-Blanc</span>
Ravel 29.svg|29. (Châtelard)<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Ravel 29 La Roche.svg|29. Osasica Flote de La Roche<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Ravel 30.svg|30. (Raybe)<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Blank.svg|Hidden or destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">The 15th century fireplace is built over this shield.</span>
Ravel 31 Clerieu.svg|31. Roger de Clérieu<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Clérieu</span>
Blank.svg|Hidden or destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">The 15th century fireplace is built over this shield.</span>
Clermont_Chaste.svg|32. Jean de Clermont<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Chaste</span>
Blank.svg|Hidden or destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">The 15th century fireplace is built over this shield.</span>
Ravel 33 Aycelin.svg|33. Gilles Aycelin<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Archbishop of Narbonne</span>
Blank.svg|Hidden or destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">The 15th century fireplace is built over this shield.</span>
Ravel 30 LaRoche.svg|30. Unknown<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Possibly a cadet branche of La Roche-Aymon</span>
Ravel 31 Clerieu.svg|31. Artaud de Claveson<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Claveyson</span>
Clermont-Tonnerre.svg|32. Geoffroy de Clermont<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Clermont-en-Viennois</span>
Ravel 33 Aycelin.svg|33. Gilles Aycelin de Montaigut<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Montaigut-sur-Billom</span>
Corbeil.svg|34. Jean de Grez<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Viscount of Corbeil<br>Marshal of France</span>
Corbeil.svg|34. Jean de Grez<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Viscount of Corbeil<br>Marshal of France</span>
</gallery>
</gallery>
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<gallery caption="Eastern Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
<gallery caption="Eastern Wall" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
Wijnbergen 534 Geoffroy de Joinville.svg|35. Geoffroy de Joinville<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Vaucouleurs</span>
Wijnbergen 534 Geoffroy de Joinville.svg|35. Geoffroy de Joinville<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Vaucouleurs</span>
Ravel 36 Charny.svg|36. Jean de Charny<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Charny and Lirey</span>
Ravel 36 Charny.svg|36. Etienne de Mont Saint-Jean<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Mont Saint-Jean</span>
Le Portier de Marigny.svg|37. Enguerrand III de Marigny<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Grand Chamberlain and Chancellor of France</span>
Le Portier de Marigny.svg|37. Enguerrand de Marigny<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Marigny, Ecouis and Mainneville<br>Grand Chamberlain and Chancellor<br> of France</span>
Ravel 38 Chambly.svg|38. Pierre VI de Chambly<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Chambly, Presles and Montreuil<br>Chamberlain of the King</span>
Chambly.svg|38. Pierre de Chambly<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Chambly, Presles and Montreuil<br>Chamberlain of the King</span>
Apchon.svg|39. Guillaume III d'Apchon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Apchon</span>
Apchon.svg|39. Guillaume d'Apchon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Apchon</span>
Blank.svg|40. Unreadable<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Blank.svg|40. Destroyed<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Possibly Foulques du Merle<br>Marshal of France</span>
Noyers.svg|41. Miles X de Noyers<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Noyers<br>Marshal and Grand Bouteiller of France</span>
Noyers.svg|41. Miles de Noyers<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Noyers<br>Marshal and Grand Bouteiller of France</span>
Blank.svg|42. Unreadable<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;"></span>
Bouville.svg|42. Hugues de Bouville<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Bouville, Farcheville and Milly<br>Chamberlain of France</span>
Roussillon Annonay Embrun.svg|43. Giraud de Roussillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Anjou and Maymont</span>
Roussillon Annonay Embrun.svg|43. Giraud de Roussillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Anjou and Maymont</span>
Ravel 44 Breon.svg|44. Itier de Bréon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Merdogne</span>
De_Breon.svg|44. Itier de Bréon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Merdogne</span>
Ivrea Ancient.svg|45. Renaud de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Montbéliard</span>
Ivrea Ancient.svg|45. Renaud de Bourgogne<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Count of Montbéliard</span>
Ravel 46 Beaujeu.svg|46. Guichard de Beaujeu<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Beaujeu</span>
Ravel 46 Jean-Dampierre.svg|46. Jean de Dampierre<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Dampierre and Saint-Dizier</span>
Tour.svg|47. Bernard de la Tour<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of la Tour</span>
Tour.svg|47. Bernard de la Tour<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of la Tour</span>
Chatillon-Porcien.svg|48. Gaucher V de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Châtillon and Crécy<br>Count of Porcien<br>Constable of France</span>
Ravel 48 Chatillon-Porcien.svg|48. Gaucher de Châtillon<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Châtillon and Crécy<br>Count of Porcien<br>Constable of France</span>
Mercœur.svg|49. Béraud de Mercoeur<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Mercoeur<br>Constable of Champagne</span>
Mercœur.svg|49. Béraud de Mercoeur<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Mercoeur</span>
</gallery>
</gallery>

Latest revision as of 04:11, 27 May 2025

In the castle of Ravel, located in Auvergne, exists an aula decorated with a long fresco featuring the arms of various princes and local nobles.
Pierre Flotte (d.1302), councillor of Philippe IV le Bel, received the castle as a gift from the king in 1294.
The dating of these frescs are still in debate. It is most probable that Pierre Flote ordered them around 1300-1301, but his death on 11/07/1302 was premature to see them finished. The shield of Louis de France, as king of Navarre, seems a good candidate to date them after his mother's death in 1305. But his seal before that date already shows the mi-parti France-Navarra. A better candidate seems Othon comte de Bourgogne who is also present. He died 1303. This allows us to date the realization of those wall paintings between 1300 and 1303.