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Revision as of 15:13, 27 January 2020 by Merlin (Talk | contribs)

If you've got the time, it would be great if you could help us complete the Grand Armorial équestre de la Toison d'or, given the following sources:

I am also trying to add to the Bergshammar Armorial, but couldn't find an online source for the identifications of the arms. NSamson (talk) 12:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Found those sources too - I used the black and white source to complete the index.. Now using the herald-dick source, since the pictures were colored and labeled. NSamson (talk) 12:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

I was not the one to add it to the corrections board, so I am not sure. Possibly the tail should be flatter.. It's supposed to represent the Empire, the source is this [1]. NSamson (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

By the way, do you have a principal source for the cinque port arms? NSamson (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Croatia is 4 x 4 in this source [2], fifth row, third column. NSamson (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Do you have an original source for the modern spellings? I'll just add them as alternative names, since my English source uses those names. NSamson (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll add them as soon as I finish uploading the Fojnica variant arms. NSamson (talk) 12:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Could you share the source as to the info on page 120 of Fojnica? I've been looking for it for some time now. NSamson (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I was using the same source but I didn't read the texts. Now I saw it. NSamson (talk) 23:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll update the ones I see. NSamson (talk) 04:06, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Hid Macmahon Ulster in Kingdom of Airgialla for now... It seems that the arms is not yet under construction. NSamson (talk) 00:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I was not the first to remove the diacritics, I just followed the lead. I do support the change, since it is very hard to search for a specific name especially if the diacritic occurs in the middle. As to the names, here are the ones I gathered from various sources:

  • Euseviovich, Evsebiovich, Enzeblović, Euzebiovic, Euzebiović, Euzebiović, Euzeblović, Evseblovicch
  • No problem with changing Frankopani to Frankopan
  • Burmasovich, Bvrmasovich, Burmasović, Burmazovic, Burmazović, Burmazović, Burmasović, Bvrmasovicic - no problem here either, if you want to change it
  • Diknich, Dicnich, Dinjić, Diknic, Diknić, Diknić, Dinjić, Dicnich

And I also want the Korenic versions to bear the standard names, but I was reverted on occasion. NSamson (talk) 11:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you have a source for 170a? NSamson (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I didn't see at first that it was reversed. Though it's still Herbert, as identified in Historia Anglorum. NSamson (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


Hello, Finellach! (I hope I'm doing this right) I heard you're quite interested/ knowledgeable in/ about the Hohenzollerns, so I thought I'd write about a few personal arms from the House of Hohenzollern-Romania, which I can't do myself (not in the style of JSpuller, at least). Let me know how we should do this. Gbasaraba (talk) 5:45 PM, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Depends what you had in mind. If you have some suggestions feel free to post it here...would appreciate sources and all so I can see. ;) Also Hohenzollern-Romania was just fine before you edited it...looks weird now. I've gone and edited it to show you how it should look if we are not using separate section for each individual monarch...because most of those coat of arms there were not personal, they were used by several people each in the role of Prince/King/Crown Prince...so as I said, we cannot speak in the category of personal arms. Personally I still prefer the previous version with Kings and Princes section separate. Finellach (talk)
Yes, I know. Personally, I rather liked the separate sections as well, except that having the Cadet Branch *in between* Kings, Princes and Personal Arms made it look a bit out of place, so I tried a different version. Also, King Charles I did use *personal* arms as Prince of Romania (as seen here - http://aleph23.biblacad.ro:8991/exlibris/aleph/a23_1/apache_media/JEDGNQ8K3GVT8YT8IUQECS7ACDE88M.jpg). I would also like to point out that the arms of the House of Hohenzollern-Romania are not necessarily "Unofficial", as they appear on both the Order of the Ruling House (of Romania, that is - http://www.ordersandmedals.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/clsVa-221x300.jpg) and in a library in Iassy that was built by Charles II (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1CRzkN-pKq0/hqdefault.jpg). The arms of Princess Elisabeth, the Queen Consort of Greece, *as Princess of Romania*, are made after a sculpture from the palace made for her by Charles II - the Elisabeth Palace in Bucharest (https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p720x720/26221239_1590997767632168_5002684152353309224_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeGMYt-pVO-joq0jo0cQqixU2fyoNywzW4CwHkFX2bgZ-Xc3C-PXB0-FnXcDV9heQ-o-3Oq9b7VtJzmaahKOKIPokKa7nW548X4916Xt99OGpw&oh=19f4dd0aa4fd9aa19584761b020ee6a4&oe=5B314152). The arms of Ferdinand I as Crown Prince of Romania are taken from a Danish armorial which I can't quite remember right now (I think it was for when Charles I and Ferdinand were awarded the Order of the Elephant) and the difference between the arms for Charles I and Ferdinand was an Or bordure on the arms of the latter. As regards to the arms of Princess Marie, Queen Consort of Yugoslavia, her arms would be the middle shield of the arms of Romania from 1921 (I will upload pictures of her signet ring and of the wedding invitations when I get home from work). That being said, Charles I had arms as Prince of Romania that were only used in 1866 that only appear on flag from 1866 (http://tb.bizwiz.ro/licitatie-artmark-regalitate-6/2047412d516b8c9c31/590/814/2/85/licitatie-artmark-regalitate-6.jpg) and on another print which I cannot seem to find right now. Charles I also had arms as Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen - here, on his wedding certificate from 1869 (http://aleph23.biblacad.ro:8991/exlibris/aleph/a23_1/apache_media/A4KTT46DFH68VA3HHR3DBSQMLC7PPS.jpg). (talk)



I see that you have re-uploaded arms that are missing at the moment, that is not needed as the web host is currently migrating WappenWiki to a new server, the sync is still in progress and the 'missing' files will be added shortly. Sorry that you have spend time on fixing this. JSpuller (talk) 12:40, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey, do you know if we have a reference for an eagle ermine somewhere ? Thought we had one already but can't find it so I may be mistaken. Solo (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2019 (CEST)

Hey, about PO3 & PO4. I'm not convinced that readers will take the time to look at the original manuscript online. And I'm not sure how they can understand that those two aren't actually represented in the roll if they dont. Even if those two are certain from being historically documented (which is far from being always the case, cf Dering), any extrapolation/restoration of missing, dissolved, blank or falsified entries should be visibly mentionned somewhere, dont you think ?Solo (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2019 (CEST)

I am not sure what do you exactly mean. You have placed the original wording underneath each arms so adding "name only" seems really weird and out of place...so I removed it as it seems unnecessary. I don't see a big issue there at all nor do I see how it can confuse anyone. ;) Finellach (talk) 00:28, 16 September 2019 (CEST)

I have to ask bc it doesn't make sense to me : why did you delete those two Ufford entries ? Why not the other way around ? (1st uploaded + better naming) - Solo (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2019 (CEST)

Hello Finellach. I wanted to ask if we have a source for the arms of John Campbell of Moulin, Earl of Atholl. I noticed that the version in the Campbell section is gyronny or and sable, a crescent argent at fess point. Yet the or and sable version of the Campbell gyronny appears for the first time in the Armorial of David Lindsay of the Mount Secundus. So it is unlikely that John Campbell has used those tinctures.