User talk:Bazaraba

Ok, here is the thing with Moldavia "bison-auroch issue". You cannot just go change one arms at the time and leave it like that...it creates discontinuity and looks bad IMO. Now as far as I could see all the Romanian arms show "auroch", it is in the blason of all arms. I am not sure when, where and why or if it even occurred that is changed into a bison, but from what I've seen it is actually an alternative variant, an artistic freedom if you will to show it either as bull (standard auroch) or as a bison. Unless ofc you can prove it otherwise. As for now I have reverted all the changes. What I would appreciate before we change anything...is if you could be more specific and address this issue properly, not on upload notes but here on talk page. Namely: 1. when did the change to bison occur (with blasons and sources); 2. what arms need to be changed so we can make a proper list and change them all; 3. who did the change, meaning who used it...the state/kingdom, the royal family, other noble families, etc. Finellach (talk) 01:34, 25 March 2020 (CET)

Hello! I just now saw the message. Indeed, the blason says it is an auroch, but all of the official arms from 1867 onward show a bison. Heraldist Silviu Andrieș-Tabac wrote about this dilemma a few years ago. That being said, the Principality of Moldavia had an auroch, as well as the Governorate of Bessarabia; the Duchy of Bukovina had a bison. After the Union of 1859, heraldist Carol Popp of Sătmar used both an auroch and a bison. The 1859 variant shows an auroch or a bison, depeding on the rendition; the 1860 variant shows an auroch; the 1862 variant shows a bison; the 1863 variant (the final one during the rule of Alexander John I) shows a bison. Then, when Charles I came to power in 1866, the variant used until 1867 shows an auroch. After that, as I said before all of the official arms show a bison's head. I even know why for the arms from 1921: heraldist József Sebestyén of Căpeni was inspired by the arms of Bukovina when he painted the arms. I do have all of the original projects of arms (one of them in my possession), and I would gladly share them with you. I know, Romanian heraldry is sometimes a mess; it was the same with the arms of Wallachia, though: sometimes showing an eagle and other times showing a raven.