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d'Ailly, d'Alli, de Alliaco

Coat of Arms
House of Ailly
Lords of Ailly, Bellancourt and Monflières

Cadet Branches
House of Ailly-Formelles
Lords of Formelles
Issued from Maurice, 2nd son of Hugues I
House of Rumes
Lords of Bellancourt, Hornaing and Rumes
Issued from Hugues, 2nd son of Robert II
Adopted the name and arms from House of Rumes
House of Ailly-Picquigny
Lords of Vignacourt, Raineval and Picquigny
Vidames of Amiens
Issued from Baudoin, 3rd son of Robert III
House of Sains
Lords of Cavron, Margny and Sains
Issued from Nicolas, 4th son of Robert III
House of Ailly-Le Quesnoy
Lords of Airaines and Le Quesnoy
Issued from Mathieu, 5th son of Robert III

Personal Arms
Tassart de Sains
1352
Conjectured Tinctures

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-D'Ailly Ancient.svg|House of Ailly<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Ailly, Bellancourt and Monflières</span><!-- I trust you mean you will correct this entry then replace the one in the Wijnbergen to merge them ? In doubt : the tinctures in medieval armorials are always argent & azure : cf Wijnbergen, Le Breton, Cambrai, Bergshammar & Urfé and I dont think they were ever inverted later -->
+D'Ailly Ancient.svg|House of Ailly<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Ailly, Bellancourt and Monflières</span>
-D'Ailly.svg|House of Ailly<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Raineval, Vignacourt and La Broye<br>Lords and Barons of Picquigny<br>Vidames of Amiens</span><!-- Robert IV d'Ailly had only a daughter Catherine who inherited Ailly, the line is then continued by Robert IV's younger brother Bauduin who inherits the lands from his mother, heiress of Picquigny // It's debatable really. She still inherited all of her father's original possessions, and those ultimately went to her second husband, not her uncles who had started lines with different arms & possessions - Baudoin himself adopted the arms of Picquigny, before quartering them with Ailly and those quartered arms would fit much better as the "modern" arms (for the record I would still place his line as cadet branch as he never actually inherited from his older brother), and on the page of the "viscounty" (which it's not, as I'm sure you already noticed) // As for the arms with the whitebeam branches, they were adopted by the provençal house of Albert, not Ailly - I had long noticed those surprising arms to give them here and on the title pages but never got to editing them out - Not starting an edit back & forth ofc so I'll leave everything like this like you said, but it's a different family -->
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-Rumes.svg|House of Rumes<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Bellancourt, Hornaing and Rumes<br>Adopted the name and arms from [[House of Rumes]]</span>
+Ailly-Formelles.svg|House of Ailly-Formelles<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Formelles<br>Issued from Maurice, 2nd son of Hugues I</span>
-<!-- Ailly-Picquigny, lords of P, vidames of Amiens : quartered Ailly & Picquigny - ext c. 1620 into House of Albert = House of Ailly d'Annebault (adopted the arms w/ two whitebeam branches) -->
+Rumes.svg|House of Rumes<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Bellancourt, Hornaing and Rumes<br>Issued from Hugues, 2nd son of Robert II<br>Adopted the name and arms from [[House of Rumes]]</span>
-<!-- Ailly-Le Quesnoy (dit Sarrazin), lords of Le Quesnoy and Airaines : quartered Ailly & Or three oak leaves Vert -->
+Ailly Picquigny.svg|House of Ailly-Picquigny<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Vignacourt, Raineval and Picquigny<br>Vidames of Amiens<br>Issued from Baudoin, 3rd son of Robert III</span><!-- Picquigny & Raineval - Seal of Baudoin dit ''Beaujois'' 1385 - ext c 1620 cf Albert d'Ailly - Later arms with crossed whitebeam branches (Alisiers) poss. adopted by this branch (used as supporters for the shields on their seals) -->
-<!-- Ailly-Sains, lords of Sains : quartered Ailly & Argent three bends Gules -->
+Ailly Sains.svg|House of Sains<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Cavron, Margny and Sains<br>Issued from Nicolas, 4th son of Robert III</span><!-- There's a previous first branch of Sains from Raoul, another brother of Robert II and Maurice but it's not well documented tbh (cf arms below with bend) -->
+Ailly Quesnoy.svg|House of Ailly-Le Quesnoy<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lords of Airaines and Le Quesnoy<br>Issued from Mathieu, 5th son of Robert III</span><!-- Airaines & Quesnoy-sur-Airaines -->
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+<!-- Several other branches with unknown or uncertain arms & connection : Domqueur (illegitimate line ? w/ bend senester), Annery (later Marquisate of Annebaut, not connected - w/ plain arms - survived to 19th c.), Varennes (from Ailly-Picquigny), Pont Rémy -->
-<!-- Unfinished, leave it like this for now arms need to be made and some corrected i.e. tinctures reversed, etc. -->
+<gallery caption="Personal Arms" align=center style= "color: #292929;font-size:1.2em;font-weight: normal;text-align:center;font-style: normal;">
+Tassart de Sains 1352.svg|Tassart de Sains<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">1352<br>Conjectured Tinctures</span><!-- Tassart dit Brisegaud 1352, Colart dit l'Aigle (a dynastic name & surname used by the Ailly-Sains too) 1370, Baudoin 1380 // Probable descendants of Raoul d'Ailly, lord of Sains -->
+</gallery>