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Tver.svg|Adding this here as well so I don't forget to update it. Edit: agreed, my recent "update" was more of a small fix so the current arms is more-less a token until properly made/updated.
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Blank.svg|This is merely a little heads up that I am revamping quartered eagles and other smaller eagles so they fit the area of the shield better. Similar to the quartered lions.
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Mississippi.svg|CoA is out of alignment, stroke of the letters, escutcheon should be standardized (we have Alabama arms) and the eagle hand holding arrows should be fixed.
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Oginski.svg|Oginski
Stephen Blois.svg|bow update
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Czetwertyński I.svg|Czetwertyński/Chetvertinsky
Ostfriesland Toison.svg|Comital toison variant. Same as [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Ostfriesland_Durbuy.svg standard arms] except the eagle is crowned similar to [Warzaw.svg Warsaw-Saxony arms]
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Cossack Hetmanate.svg|Needs bunch of corrections, stroke, etc. probably an entire re-work of the main charge
 
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==New Arms requests==
 
==New Arms requests==
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'''Fürstenwarther''' - morganatic branch from Frederick Louis, Count Palatine of Zweibrucken, Barons (Freiherren) of Fürstenwarther and Castellans (Burgsassen) of Odenbach, cousins of the Kings of Sweden. Their arms is: Azure, a virgin issuing out of a tower Or, holding a flower proper (flower is leafed Vert and seems to be either also blue or white). Later they obtained Kellenbach and referred to themselves as Fürstenwarther auf Kellenbach or just simply '''Fürstenwarther-Kellenbach''', from this point they dimidiated their arms with per pale Azure and Or, on azure half a lion passant Argent, crowned proper. There is no colored version of their arms (or at least I couldn't find one) however we do know tinctures from the bookplates engravings. [https://img.oldthing.net/12386/33796441/0/n/Freiherren-von-Fuerstenwaerther-Fuerstenwaerther-Wappen-Adel-coat-of-arms-heraldry-Heraldik-Kupferstich-copper-e.jpg example 1], [https://img.oldthing.net/12386/33621163/0/n/1820-Fuerstenwaerther-Geboeckh-Wappen-Adel-coat-of-arms-heraldry-Kupferstich.jpg example 2],  [https://pictures.abebooks.com/VOELKEL/18343416880.jpg example 3], [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/F%C3%BCrstenwaerther_Kellenbach_F%C3%BCrstenw%C3%A4rther_-_Tyroff_AT.jpg example 4]
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==Livro requests==
  
'''Manuel I''' - [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LDAM_(f._42v)_D._Manuel_e_da_Rainha.jpg Joint arms of Manuel I of Portugal and his queen-consort Maria of Aragon]. I have already made [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:John_II_Livro.svg a similar arms] which has less castles than the source image so whichever you choose, 8 is more than enough since I believe the castle is just an artistic expression by the author. The arms in question is a cross between [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Portugal_Livro.svg Portugal] and arms of [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Rainha_Maria.svg Maria of Aragon]. The half shield of Portugal is from [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Ferdinand_II._von_Portugal.svg Saxe-Coburg-Gotha] arms.<br>
 
 
'''Lago''' - Arms of [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Lago_zpsx7tfsouc.png Lago] - no need for elaboration, the image pretty much speaks for itself<br>
 
'''Lago''' - Arms of [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Lago_zpsx7tfsouc.png Lago] - no need for elaboration, the image pretty much speaks for itself<br>
'''Ornelas''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Ornelas_zpsc3c3hybo.png Arms of Ornelas] shows shield azure, bend gules with three gold lillies, on each side a siren holding a comb and a mirror<br>
 
 
'''Gil Vantvisyet''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Gil%20Vantvisyet_zpsrv9x56c3.png Livro image], quartered Or and Azure, not sure what those things are in 1st and 4th quarter but it sure looks like some kind of shoes. 2nd and 3rd quarter a moor's head, over all a cross gules hollow argent<br>
 
'''Gil Vantvisyet''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Gil%20Vantvisyet_zpsrv9x56c3.png Livro image], quartered Or and Azure, not sure what those things are in 1st and 4th quarter but it sure looks like some kind of shoes. 2nd and 3rd quarter a moor's head, over all a cross gules hollow argent<br>
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'''Pachecho Livro''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Pachecho%20Livro_zpsq0um2unb.png source image]. The arms of Pachecho in Livro seems like a hybrid of several cauldron variants we have: [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Pacheco.svg Pachecho], [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Manrique_de_Lara.svg Manrique de Lara], [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Lara.svg Lara Ancient]. The elements on the cauldron seem to be vaire nebuly similar to [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Vasconcelos_Livro.svg Vasconcelos] f.e.<br>
 
'''Pachecho Livro''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Pachecho%20Livro_zpsq0um2unb.png source image]. The arms of Pachecho in Livro seems like a hybrid of several cauldron variants we have: [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Pacheco.svg Pachecho], [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Manrique_de_Lara.svg Manrique de Lara], [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Lara.svg Lara Ancient]. The elements on the cauldron seem to be vaire nebuly similar to [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Vasconcelos_Livro.svg Vasconcelos] f.e.<br>
'''Afonso Garces''' - Again the [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Afonso%20Garcecircs_zpsjlqzsxwm.png source image] is pretty straightforward, complicated but clear.<br>
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'''Gabriel Goncalves''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Gabriel%20Gonccedilalves_zpsitndrsm4.png source image]. Arms is double-headed eagle holding a moor's head, all withing a "rope bordure" similar to [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Eca_Livro.svg Eca] i.e. [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Eça.svg Eça arms].<br>
 
'''Gabriel Goncalves''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Gabriel%20Gonccedilalves_zpsitndrsm4.png source image]. Arms is double-headed eagle holding a moor's head, all withing a "rope bordure" similar to [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Eca_Livro.svg Eca] i.e. [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Eça.svg Eça arms].<br>
'''Bairros Livro''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Bairros%20Livro_zpsjfux1sej.png source image]. The Livro image shows three branches throughout the arms as opposed to [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Bairros.svg Bairros proper] which shows just three plain branches. In Livro branches are literally like [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Kosaca.svg three bends]<br>
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'''Abul''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Abul_zps3w5termn.png source image] - shield split in two. First half shows an imperial eagle like in the arms of [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Charlemagne_Livro.svg Charlemagne], the other half is azure with a fess gules, fess gules charged with crescent argent, below fess two crescents gules.<br>
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'''Duarte Brandao''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Duarte%20Brandao_zpsdj6rxxot.png source image], shows two dragons Or, intertwined. The dragons/serpents are the same as in [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Serpa.svg Serpa arms] for example<br>
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'''Botos''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Botos_zpsjoesak7u.png source image] shows a [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Ivar_Nilsson.svg shield divided per saltire] Or and gules, Or quarters charged with a Moor's head, gules quarters charged with argent towers<br>
 
'''Botos''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Botos_zpsjoesak7u.png source image] shows a [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Ivar_Nilsson.svg shield divided per saltire] Or and gules, Or quarters charged with a Moor's head, gules quarters charged with argent towers<br>
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'''Viveiro''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Viveiro_zpsluq6qpcm.png source image] shows a shield quartered. 1st and 4th quarter are similar to Guzman or [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Manrique_de_Lara_Najera.svg Manrique de Lara cauldorns] (not so many serpent heads), cauldrons are completely chequy argent and gules on a azure field, bordure ermine. 1st and 3rd quarter are a variant of [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Pedro_Fajardo_y_Chacón.svg Fajardo quarters], water part seems smaller on this variant than on the example linked, while the branches are intertwined in a saltire.<br>
 
'''Viveiro''' - [http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b445/krunoslav_rakititic1/Viveiro_zpsluq6qpcm.png source image] shows a shield quartered. 1st and 4th quarter are similar to Guzman or [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Manrique_de_Lara_Najera.svg Manrique de Lara cauldorns] (not so many serpent heads), cauldrons are completely chequy argent and gules on a azure field, bordure ermine. 1st and 3rd quarter are a variant of [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Pedro_Fajardo_y_Chacón.svg Fajardo quarters], water part seems smaller on this variant than on the example linked, while the branches are intertwined in a saltire.<br>
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'''Canton of Glarus''' - Glarus is ususally depicted as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_082.jpg monk], although the exact compositions vary. Similar to the monks in [[Zurich Roll 4]]. Sources and examples of Glaurus arms: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahne_und_Wappen_des_Kantons_Glarus wikipedia page about the arms], [http://www.zeno.org/Meyers-1905/I/070883a example1], [http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Glarus_(canton) heraldry of the world page]<br>
 
 
'''Duchy of Zara''' - [http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Duchy_of_Zara Duchy of Zara] located at city of Zara or Zadar. The only coat of arms missing to complete the [[Austrian Empire]] page. The arms show Saint Chrysogonus on a horse. This arms has been also described in Arthur Charles Fox-Davies' book of public arms where he describes it as "argent, a mounted knight in full armor, his lance in pale, all proper" and shows [https://drawshield.net/reference/public-arms/z/zara.html an illustration]. Current civic arms and dating back to early 20th century also draw directly from the historical arms that was eventually now modern arms of the city and also of the duchy in Austrian Empire. The best way to describe how I feel the shield should look is that it should be f.e. same as [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Vilnius.svg Vilnius] but the position of the arms and lance correct, and also the rider would not have a helmet but a halo...also would carry a shield in the same manner which would be "argent, cross gules" i.e. as Genoa arms f.e. Colors of the shield in general would be argent, horde sable...adorned gold and red, rider's armor full gold. An [https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/coat-arms-zadar-oldest-continuously-450w-1140477107.jpg example of the rider]. I'll probably make an example just show what I mean.<br><br>
 
  
 
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Question...what is happening with these two pages: [[House of Heuse]] and [[House of La Heuze]]? Shouldn't those two coat of arms be on the same page? Also a small note, I believe this family is in fact connected with the family later referred as [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Hussey.svg De Hoese or Hussey] and also to [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Hussey_of_Sleaford.svg Hussey of Sleaford]. There was also a branch in Ireland called [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Hussey_Galtrim.svg Hussey of Galtrim]. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 20:51, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
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Question: is the [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Petit.svg Petit arms] of the Anglo-Norman-Irish ''Le Petit'' family (feudal barons of Dunboyne) of Ireland? I've been looking for these before but couldn't find anything specific. If it is then great! :)<br>Oh and also the new de Lucy and Gadda arms you uploaded...well you should link them bcz I have no idea what they are lol...I know Thomas de Lucy (azure and argent) was most likely the arms of Thomas who was the younger brother of Anthony, 1st Baron Lucy but I don't know the other ones...specifically [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Geffrey_de_Lucy.svg this one] and [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Thomas_de_Lucy_of_Cockermouth.svg this one], are they variants? Also the ancient arms...the thing is there were at last three Lucy lines that passed through heiresses who had childrent who adopted the de Lucy name. Cheers. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 16:47, 25 May 2020 (CEST)
  
Sorry for the late reply, I have family at home so I can't do much this week. I made those changes to the page because it didnt look right to me.<br>
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Forgot to answer this, the Petit arms is the arms of Petit/Petyt, lords of Ardevora in Cornwall.<br>
- Or/Sable are the arms of the french family (de la Heuze). They are from a "lieu-dit" in Quevilly near Rouen and descended from Jean de la Heuse living around 1000. His son, Pierre accompagnied duke Guillaume in England but came back (obviously).<br>
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You linked all the Gädda/Gedda arms correct. :)
Those two individuals have no recorded links with Hugues and Guillaume of Tadwick, ancestors of the english family. Hugues and Jean may very well have been brothers or cousins but no author make such claim (afaik, I won't pretend to know that english family very well).<br>
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Regarding the Lucy arms, I haven't had time to unravel the family yet but here are the sources for the uploaded arms:
- The Hussey of Harting, desc from that Guillaume/William, have different arms, obviously derived from the Taisson (fitz Erneis) familly. The branch in Charlcombe used those arms or at least a variant as shown on a 1267 seal (John H. of Charlcombe).<br>
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===<u>Some feudal coats of arms from heraldic rolls, 1298-1418 / Joseph Foster. 1902</u>===
- Nicholas de la Heuse is from a third dynastic group. The same as the later lords of Finchampstead. Those Hese/Hoese/Huese of Padworth, Finchampstead, Roudon and Chippenham have different arms in the various rolls. Nicholas in Herald's roll is the son of another Nicholas from lincolnshire who appears to have married a daughter of the Husseys of Charlcombe. His son Peter +1307 married the daughter of William Banastre of Finchampstead. The other daughter married Peter's cousin John said to be desc. from a brother of Nicholas Sr. The arms of that John are figured in many later rolls and are different (fess betw 3 lions) from Nicholas' arms.<br>
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'''Lucy, Sir Geffrey'''<br>
- It's entirely possible (even very likely I would say) that the three dynastic groups stem from the same root but it's still conjecture unless there's a record of some sort (or at least a strong hint) or any kind of historical account. It is worth noting that place names like Heuzé/Heuse/Heussé/Houssaye/Houssel and other variants are rather common in Normandy so it's not definite proof. The various accounts on the Hussey family history point to a different origin (from the office of Butler, from La Houssaye or from Heussé in Avranchin which is closer to the Taisson), not that I trust those much.<br>
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(E. 11. Roll) bore, gules, two lucies pileways argent; Holland Roll. <br>
- There are two seals of a William (of Surrey, 1305 & 42 so it may act. be two generations) in the Catalogue of Seals with a single hose.--[[User:Solo|Solo]] ([[User talk:Solo|talk]]) 14:51, 28 March 2019 (CET)
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'''Lucy, Geffrey de, of Cockermouth, baron '''<br>
If I may ask why have you restored a separate page for [[House of Michalovic|Michalovic]] when it is clear they were a continuation of the main Markwartide line and it can be easily proven? I don't understand. The only reason why I kept them separate in the first place was because it was easier for me at the time when I made the page to make a meaningful setup, but it was always planned to merge the Michalovic page with the main page. What happened with this family, they divided into 4 main branches in two generations. The division came with sons of Herman (Marshal and Chamberlain of Bohemia) who himself was a son of Markvart (from whom the entire genus got its name), Herman had three sons: Beneš, Markvart and Zaviš. The eldest was Beneš who was Burgrave of Bautzen and from whom in direct line descend the Lords of Michalovice (Pani z Michalovic), Markvart was his 2nd son and who himself had 4 sons: Havel who was progenitor of Lemberk-Zvikovice branch, Chval from whom the Lords of Polna descend, Jaroslav who was progenitor of Waldstein/Wallensten branch and Markvart the youngest son who was progenitor of Wartenberg. The coat of arms was a lion passant, however in about 1246 they were granted a new coat of arms which was the shield split in two...most of the branches accepted this with Waldstein/Wallenstein being the only exception. The main line which became known and referred to themselves by their castle at Michalovice from around 1279-1281 at first used both arms, the old arms with the lion and new one which was black and white split shield, the lion was abandoned completely by the end of 13th and beginning of 14th century, but it was restored again by the mid-end 14th century again. So again, what is going on? [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 14:22, 13 April 2019 (CEST)
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1297-bore, gules, three lucies hauriant 2 and 1 argent ( F.) Ashmole Roll; or, <br>
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in Arden and Glover Rolls-ascribed to RICHARD in the Grimaldi Roll, and so carried <br>
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at the siege of Rouen 1418, THOMAS, differenced at the second Dunstable tournament <br>
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1334 with a label azure and a bordure engrailed argent (F.); also by ANTHONY or AMERY <br>
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in Jenyns' Ordinary-4 lucies in blason. Sir WILLIAM bore the paternal coat crusily argent; Harl. 1481, ff. 59-65.  
 
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So, I've been thinking about the Herald's and Dering continental programs. Those are a bit specific because they are copied from other rolls and riddled with errors. While I'm including invisible comments for most of those it still leaves that part of the roll in a state that is of little value to the average reader (who won't be seeing my comments) and potentially misleading (it happened before with other websites). I have thought of a few different solutions (non exhaustive ofc, if you have something else in mind) and I'd like to know what you think we should do ?<br>
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'''Lucy, Sir Amery (AYMER or EMERY) '''<br>
- Leave the material as it is but include a warning at the start of the sequence to warn the reader that most of it was inaccurately copied from other rolls. I really don't think we should leave those without at least a warning that the material must not be mistaken for a primary source (it's a flawed copy and must be treated as such). This is the least intrusive solution but doesn't provide the user with the corrections either.<br>
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Kent-(H. 111, Roll) bore, azure crusily and three lucies 2 and 1 hauriant or; Parliamentary, <br>
- Include links to corrections inside the roll for each affected entry. That is what we occasionnaly did in other rolls for unfinished, incomplete or dissolved entries (which are very different cases though). The negative is that it is the most intrusive and time intensive solution while not being very practical for the reader either : you have to click a link to see the corrected proposition and can't see the overall result at once.<br>
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Howard, St. George and Dering Rolls. Sir THOMAS, of Kent. bore the lucies argent; Parliamentary Roll
- Provide a link to a corrected version of that part (it has to be clear that it is a proposed reconstruction and not the original material). The more I think of it, the more I see this as the best option as it is rather simple to do and gives an overall corrected preview of the sequence in one click. The one negative argument here, is that the result is mostly a repeat of the Compiegne roll.--[[User:Solo|Solo]] ([[User talk:Solo|talk]]) 14:30, 21 April 2019 (CEST)
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(H. III. Roll) bore, gules,  crusily ol three lucies  and 2 and 1 or <br>
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(F.); Parliamentary Roll, & REYNOLD differenced with a label (3) azure ; Surrey Roll. <br>
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===<u>Lucy Arms and Full Pedigree Chart 950-1900</u>===
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BTW the "leaping lion" is also called "lion salient", the differences in f.e. Felbrigge arms and Petit arms we have right now is literally difference in artistic representation how these lions are drawn. So [[:File:Felbrigge.svg|Felbrigge]], [[:File:Petit.svg|Le Petit]], [[:File:Talbot Basshall.svg|Talbot of Basshall]] should all be standardizing otherwise we will have two different styles of the same lion on the site which is weird. Also [[:File:Inglis Cramond.svg|Inglis of Cramond]] should also have "leaping lion" ("lion salient") instead of rampant...lion rampant is a mistake by me. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 03:46, 3 June 2020 (CEST)
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Yes, leaping/salient is the same posture. I've updated the other arms as well. [[User:JSpuller|JSpuller]] ([[User talk:JSpuller|talk]]) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)

Latest revision as of 16:28, 18 September 2020

Corrections

New Arms requests

Fürstenwarther - morganatic branch from Frederick Louis, Count Palatine of Zweibrucken, Barons (Freiherren) of Fürstenwarther and Castellans (Burgsassen) of Odenbach, cousins of the Kings of Sweden. Their arms is: Azure, a virgin issuing out of a tower Or, holding a flower proper (flower is leafed Vert and seems to be either also blue or white). Later they obtained Kellenbach and referred to themselves as Fürstenwarther auf Kellenbach or just simply Fürstenwarther-Kellenbach, from this point they dimidiated their arms with per pale Azure and Or, on azure half a lion passant Argent, crowned proper. There is no colored version of their arms (or at least I couldn't find one) however we do know tinctures from the bookplates engravings. example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4

Livro requests

Lago - Arms of Lago - no need for elaboration, the image pretty much speaks for itself
Gil Vantvisyet - Livro image, quartered Or and Azure, not sure what those things are in 1st and 4th quarter but it sure looks like some kind of shoes. 2nd and 3rd quarter a moor's head, over all a cross gules hollow argent

Pachecho Livro - source image. The arms of Pachecho in Livro seems like a hybrid of several cauldron variants we have: Pachecho, Manrique de Lara, Lara Ancient. The elements on the cauldron seem to be vaire nebuly similar to Vasconcelos f.e.

Gabriel Goncalves - source image. Arms is double-headed eagle holding a moor's head, all withing a "rope bordure" similar to Eca i.e. Eça arms.

Botos - source image shows a shield divided per saltire Or and gules, Or quarters charged with a Moor's head, gules quarters charged with argent towers

Viveiro - source image shows a shield quartered. 1st and 4th quarter are similar to Guzman or Manrique de Lara cauldorns (not so many serpent heads), cauldrons are completely chequy argent and gules on a azure field, bordure ermine. 1st and 3rd quarter are a variant of Fajardo quarters, water part seems smaller on this variant than on the example linked, while the branches are intertwined in a saltire.




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Question: is the Petit arms of the Anglo-Norman-Irish Le Petit family (feudal barons of Dunboyne) of Ireland? I've been looking for these before but couldn't find anything specific. If it is then great! :)
Oh and also the new de Lucy and Gadda arms you uploaded...well you should link them bcz I have no idea what they are lol...I know Thomas de Lucy (azure and argent) was most likely the arms of Thomas who was the younger brother of Anthony, 1st Baron Lucy but I don't know the other ones...specifically this one and this one, are they variants? Also the ancient arms...the thing is there were at last three Lucy lines that passed through heiresses who had childrent who adopted the de Lucy name. Cheers. Finellach (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2020 (CEST)

Forgot to answer this, the Petit arms is the arms of Petit/Petyt, lords of Ardevora in Cornwall.
You linked all the Gädda/Gedda arms correct. :) Regarding the Lucy arms, I haven't had time to unravel the family yet but here are the sources for the uploaded arms:

Some feudal coats of arms from heraldic rolls, 1298-1418 / Joseph Foster. 1902

Lucy, Sir Geffrey
(E. 11. Roll) bore, gules, two lucies pileways argent; Holland Roll.

Lucy, Geffrey de, of Cockermouth, baron
1297-bore, gules, three lucies hauriant 2 and 1 argent ( F.) Ashmole Roll; or,
in Arden and Glover Rolls-ascribed to RICHARD in the Grimaldi Roll, and so carried
at the siege of Rouen 1418, THOMAS, differenced at the second Dunstable tournament
1334 with a label azure and a bordure engrailed argent (F.); also by ANTHONY or AMERY
in Jenyns' Ordinary-4 lucies in blason. Sir WILLIAM bore the paternal coat crusily argent; Harl. 1481, ff. 59-65.

Lucy, Sir Amery (AYMER or EMERY)
Kent-(H. 111, Roll) bore, azure crusily and three lucies 2 and 1 hauriant or; Parliamentary,
Howard, St. George and Dering Rolls. Sir THOMAS, of Kent. bore the lucies argent; Parliamentary Roll

Lucy Geoffrey of Kent,
(H. III. Roll) bore, gules, crusily ol three lucies and 2 and 1 or
(F.); Parliamentary Roll, & REYNOLD differenced with a label (3) azure ; Surrey Roll.
See Harl. 1481 ff. 59, 65.

Lucy Arms and Full Pedigree Chart 950-1900

https://rickmansworthherts.com/arms3.htm

JSpuller (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)


BTW the "leaping lion" is also called "lion salient", the differences in f.e. Felbrigge arms and Petit arms we have right now is literally difference in artistic representation how these lions are drawn. So Felbrigge, Le Petit, Talbot of Basshall should all be standardizing otherwise we will have two different styles of the same lion on the site which is weird. Also Inglis of Cramond should also have "leaping lion" ("lion salient") instead of rampant...lion rampant is a mistake by me. Finellach (talk) 03:46, 3 June 2020 (CEST)

Yes, leaping/salient is the same posture. I've updated the other arms as well. JSpuller (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)