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Blank.svg|This is merely a little heads up that I am revamping quartered eagles and other smaller eagles so they fit the area of the shield better. Similar to the quartered lions.
 
Blank.svg|This is merely a little heads up that I am revamping quartered eagles and other smaller eagles so they fit the area of the shield better. Similar to the quartered lions.
 
Mississippi.svg|CoA is out of alignment, stroke of the letters, escutcheon should be standardized (we have Alabama arms) and the eagle hand holding arrows should be fixed.
 
Mississippi.svg|CoA is out of alignment, stroke of the letters, escutcheon should be standardized (we have Alabama arms) and the eagle hand holding arrows should be fixed.
Romania_1867.svg|From what I can see on coins [http://romaniancoins.org/5bani1867.html see here] it would seem this arms also features bisons instead of auroch, just on the shape of the head. Plus as mentioned earlier it seems that from 1867 the switch was made on all royal arms from aurochs to bisons in general. Would update this one myself but the elements are different on lower head when resized and I just can't be bothered to fix it manually...
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Oginski.svg|Oginski
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Czetwertyński I.svg|Czetwertyński/Chetvertinsky
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Svyatopolk-Chetvertinsky.svg|Svyatopolk-Chetvertinsky
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Cossack Hetmanate.svg|Needs bunch of corrections, stroke, etc. probably an entire re-work of the main charge
 
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==New Arms requests==
 
==New Arms requests==
 
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'''Carafa della Spina''' - Carafa family was split into two main branches, the elder branch also referred as ''Carafa della Stadera'' which led an [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Carafa.svg undifferenced arms] and ''Carafa della Spina'' which led the same arms differenced by a green [thorn] branch. [http://www.nobili-napoletani.it/images/foto/C/carafa/stemma%20carafa%20della%20spina%201.gif example 1], [https://www.francovalente.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Carafa.jpg example 2], [https://www.storiaememoriadibologna.it/files/sala-urbana/cardinali/1382.jpg example 3], [https://www.storiaememoriadibologna.it/files/sala-urbana/cardinali/1665.jpg example 4], etc
'''Dragon passant''' - another arms/charge for heraldic element section. We already have bunch of dragons but they are mostly (well all of them) continental style with two legs and in modern heraldry referred as ''wyverns'', however the British/Welsh variant is missing. The Welsh/British dragon differs in so much that it has four legs. The perfect example of (four-legged) dragon passant is the Welsh Royal badge arms from 1953. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Badge_of_Wales_(1953).svg see here]<br>
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'''Gustaf Carlson''' - illegitimate son of King Karl X Gustav. He was Count of Börringe and Baron/Lord of Lindholm. His arms [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Gustaf_Carlsson_Boerring-Wappen.png was this]<br>
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'''Petricevic Miketinec''' - also a branch of Mogorovic. On a blue shield a lion Or, holding a sabre proper in dexter hand and three white roses [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Esterh%C3%A1zy.svg similar to this arms]...lion issuing out of two bars way argent on a lower half gules which is somewhat similar to Keglevic or  Szecsenyi arms but with wavy lines, [https://coadb.com/wp-content/uploads/rough/croatiaslov/petrichevich_or_petricevic_de_miketyncz.jpg example]<br>
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=='''High Priority requests'''==
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'''Duchy of Zara''' - [http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Duchy_of_Zara Duchy of Zara] located at city of Zara or Zadar. The only coat of arms missing to complete the [[Austrian Empire]] page. The arms show Saint Chrysogonus dressed in Roman attire on a horse. This arms has been also described in Arthur Charles Fox-Davies' book of public arms where he describes it as "argent, a mounted knight in full armor, his lance in pale, all proper" and shows [https://drawshield.net/reference/public-arms/z/zara.html an illustration]. Current civic arms and dating back to early 20th century also draw directly from the historical arms that was eventually now modern arms of the city and also of the duchy in Austrian Empire.<br>
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Question: is the [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Petit.svg Petit arms] of the Anglo-Norman-Irish ''Le Petit'' family (feudal barons of Dunboyne) of Ireland? I've been looking for these before but couldn't find anything specific. If it is then great! :)<br>Oh and also the new de Lucy and Gadda arms you uploaded...well you should link them bcz I have no idea what they are lol...I know Thomas de Lucy (azure and argent) was most likely the arms of Thomas who was the younger brother of Anthony, 1st Baron Lucy but I don't know the other ones...specifically [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Geffrey_de_Lucy.svg this one] and [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Thomas_de_Lucy_of_Cockermouth.svg this one], are they variants? Also the ancient arms...the thing is there were at last three Lucy lines that passed through heiresses who had childrent who adopted the de Lucy name. Cheers. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 16:47, 25 May 2020 (CEST)
  
'''Maguire''' - Ancient Irish family, originally petty kings of Fermanagh (Fir Manach), later Barons Maguire (of Enniskillen). Their arms is: vert, a white horse fully equipped, upon it a knight in full armor, on his helmet a plume of ostrich feathers and in his right hand brandishing a sword, all proper. Basically this charge is literally the same as is on the above requested Duchy of Zara (Zadar) arms except that the knight is holding a sword instead of a spear. [http://www.europeanheraldry.org/files/cache/5485b1c2d6c0df78e8860659bbd2b92a_f5914.jpg example 1], [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/54/42/6a544206441757c38e0beef6a4f6141a.png example 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maguire.png example 3], [https://www.johngrenham.com/images/coats/maguire.gif example 4], etc. Edit: There is an [http://wappenwiki.org/index.php?title=File:%C3%96rnevinge.svg arms with a knight] that is somewhat how it should look with minor corrections ofc, plus the horse stance.<br>
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Forgot to answer this, the Petit arms is the arms of Petit/Petyt, lords of Ardevora in Cornwall.<br>
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You linked all the Gädda/Gedda arms correct. :)
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Regarding the Lucy arms, I haven't had time to unravel the family yet but here are the sources for the uploaded arms:
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===<u>Some feudal coats of arms from heraldic rolls, 1298-1418 / Joseph Foster. 1902</u>===
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'''Lucy, Sir Geffrey'''<br>
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(E. 11. Roll) bore, gules, two lucies pileways argent; Holland Roll. <br>
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'''Lucy, Geffrey de, of Cockermouth, baron '''<br>
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1297-bore, gules, three lucies hauriant 2 and 1 argent ( F.) Ashmole Roll; or, <br>
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in Arden and Glover Rolls-ascribed to RICHARD in the Grimaldi Roll, and so carried <br>
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at the siege of Rouen 1418, THOMAS, differenced at the second Dunstable tournament <br>
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1334 with a label azure and a bordure engrailed argent (F.); also by ANTHONY or AMERY <br>
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in Jenyns' Ordinary-4 lucies in blason. Sir WILLIAM bore the paternal coat crusily argent; Harl. 1481, ff. 59-65.  
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'''Lucy, Sir Amery (AYMER or EMERY) '''<br>
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Kent-(H. 111, Roll) bore, azure crusily and three lucies 2 and 1 hauriant or; Parliamentary, <br>
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Howard, St. George and Dering Rolls. Sir THOMAS, of Kent. bore the lucies argent; Parliamentary Roll
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'''Lucy Geoffrey of Kent, '''<br>
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(H. III. Roll) bore, gules,  crusily ol three lucies  and 2 and 1 or <br>
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(F.); Parliamentary Roll, & REYNOLD differenced with a label (3) azure ; Surrey Roll. <br>
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See Harl. 1481 ff. 59, 65.  
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===<u>Lucy Arms and Full Pedigree Chart 950-1900</u>===
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https://rickmansworthherts.com/arms3.htm
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[[User:JSpuller|JSpuller]] ([[User talk:JSpuller|talk]]) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)
  
  
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BTW the "leaping lion" is also called "lion salient", the differences in f.e. Felbrigge arms and Petit arms we have right now is literally difference in artistic representation how these lions are drawn. So [[:File:Felbrigge.svg|Felbrigge]], [[:File:Petit.svg|Le Petit]], [[:File:Talbot Basshall.svg|Talbot of Basshall]] should all be standardizing otherwise we will have two different styles of the same lion on the site which is weird. Also [[:File:Inglis Cramond.svg|Inglis of Cramond]] should also have "leaping lion" ("lion salient") instead of rampant...lion rampant is a mistake by me. [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 03:46, 3 June 2020 (CEST)
  
Question on updates/requests: I've already asked this before but it has passed a long time now again...if you don't mind me asking, what is going on with those requests for Canton of Glaurus and Duchy of Zara? I mean they are requested for a long time now and you've said you're going to do them in time but it's been, believe it or not, two years now that I requested them!!! Also what is with Draskovic arms? You updated the simple arms recently but the quartered arms are left alone...I've requested the update last week...the griffons on the simple arms and the griffons on the quartered arms now look different from each other even by simple glance...I know it can't be the same as you have to adjust them to quarters but still they are obviously different. Same for Stephen of Blois arms...the bows on other centaurs were updated quite some time ago, only that one remains for some reason. From what I can see all the requested updates and the so-called "high priority" requests shouldn't be that hard to do for you...well perhaps only for Zara and Maguire arms but those have pretty decent base in the knight on Brahe arms and the horse from La Chambre ancient arms and for Glarus a pretty good base is "Tyro" in Codex Manese which is different from Glarus only marginally...the guy holding a book instead of a sword and a bit different head. I know you cannot deal just with my requests, you have your own stuff to do, but it's not like I am requesting a lot these days and clearing those requests for update/new arms would clear this page up...at this point it bothers me as I keep coming back to those time and time again as it feels like an unfinished business...my OCD is triggering. :p [[User:Finellach|Finellach]] ([[User talk:Finellach|talk]]) 01:03, 1 April 2020 (CEST)
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Yes, leaping/salient is the same posture. I've updated the other arms as well. [[User:JSpuller|JSpuller]] ([[User talk:JSpuller|talk]]) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)

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Corrections

New Arms requests

Carafa della Spina - Carafa family was split into two main branches, the elder branch also referred as Carafa della Stadera which led an undifferenced arms and Carafa della Spina which led the same arms differenced by a green [thorn] branch. example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4, etc

Livro requests

Lago - Arms of Lago - no need for elaboration, the image pretty much speaks for itself
Gil Vantvisyet - Livro image, quartered Or and Azure, not sure what those things are in 1st and 4th quarter but it sure looks like some kind of shoes. 2nd and 3rd quarter a moor's head, over all a cross gules hollow argent

Pachecho Livro - source image. The arms of Pachecho in Livro seems like a hybrid of several cauldron variants we have: Pachecho, Manrique de Lara, Lara Ancient. The elements on the cauldron seem to be vaire nebuly similar to Vasconcelos f.e.

Gabriel Goncalves - source image. Arms is double-headed eagle holding a moor's head, all withing a "rope bordure" similar to Eca i.e. Eça arms.

Botos - source image shows a shield divided per saltire Or and gules, Or quarters charged with a Moor's head, gules quarters charged with argent towers

Viveiro - source image shows a shield quartered. 1st and 4th quarter are similar to Guzman or Manrique de Lara cauldorns (not so many serpent heads), cauldrons are completely chequy argent and gules on a azure field, bordure ermine. 1st and 3rd quarter are a variant of Fajardo quarters, water part seems smaller on this variant than on the example linked, while the branches are intertwined in a saltire.




Comment

Question: is the Petit arms of the Anglo-Norman-Irish Le Petit family (feudal barons of Dunboyne) of Ireland? I've been looking for these before but couldn't find anything specific. If it is then great! :)
Oh and also the new de Lucy and Gadda arms you uploaded...well you should link them bcz I have no idea what they are lol...I know Thomas de Lucy (azure and argent) was most likely the arms of Thomas who was the younger brother of Anthony, 1st Baron Lucy but I don't know the other ones...specifically this one and this one, are they variants? Also the ancient arms...the thing is there were at last three Lucy lines that passed through heiresses who had childrent who adopted the de Lucy name. Cheers. Finellach (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2020 (CEST)

Forgot to answer this, the Petit arms is the arms of Petit/Petyt, lords of Ardevora in Cornwall.
You linked all the Gädda/Gedda arms correct. :) Regarding the Lucy arms, I haven't had time to unravel the family yet but here are the sources for the uploaded arms:

Some feudal coats of arms from heraldic rolls, 1298-1418 / Joseph Foster. 1902

Lucy, Sir Geffrey
(E. 11. Roll) bore, gules, two lucies pileways argent; Holland Roll.

Lucy, Geffrey de, of Cockermouth, baron
1297-bore, gules, three lucies hauriant 2 and 1 argent ( F.) Ashmole Roll; or,
in Arden and Glover Rolls-ascribed to RICHARD in the Grimaldi Roll, and so carried
at the siege of Rouen 1418, THOMAS, differenced at the second Dunstable tournament
1334 with a label azure and a bordure engrailed argent (F.); also by ANTHONY or AMERY
in Jenyns' Ordinary-4 lucies in blason. Sir WILLIAM bore the paternal coat crusily argent; Harl. 1481, ff. 59-65.

Lucy, Sir Amery (AYMER or EMERY)
Kent-(H. 111, Roll) bore, azure crusily and three lucies 2 and 1 hauriant or; Parliamentary,
Howard, St. George and Dering Rolls. Sir THOMAS, of Kent. bore the lucies argent; Parliamentary Roll

Lucy Geoffrey of Kent,
(H. III. Roll) bore, gules, crusily ol three lucies and 2 and 1 or
(F.); Parliamentary Roll, & REYNOLD differenced with a label (3) azure ; Surrey Roll.
See Harl. 1481 ff. 59, 65.

Lucy Arms and Full Pedigree Chart 950-1900

https://rickmansworthherts.com/arms3.htm

JSpuller (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)


BTW the "leaping lion" is also called "lion salient", the differences in f.e. Felbrigge arms and Petit arms we have right now is literally difference in artistic representation how these lions are drawn. So Felbrigge, Le Petit, Talbot of Basshall should all be standardizing otherwise we will have two different styles of the same lion on the site which is weird. Also Inglis of Cramond should also have "leaping lion" ("lion salient") instead of rampant...lion rampant is a mistake by me. Finellach (talk) 03:46, 3 June 2020 (CEST)

Yes, leaping/salient is the same posture. I've updated the other arms as well. JSpuller (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (CEST)