Herald's Roll (part III) - Revision history

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	Dering 137 Robert de Livet.svg\|660. Robert de Livet<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Haselor<br>''robarte lyvett''</span><!-- DE137 -->		Dering 137 Robert de Livet.svg\|660. Robert de Livet<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Haselor<br>''robarte lyvett''</span><!-- DE137 -->
	FW661_Ashburnham.svg\|661. Richard de Ashburnham<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ashburnham<br>''rychard de eshburnham''</span><!-- DE129 - Mullets Or -->		FW661_Ashburnham.svg\|661. Richard de Ashburnham<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ashburnham<br>''rychard de eshburnham''</span><!-- DE129 - Mullets Or -->
	FW662_Giffard.svg\|662. Walter Giffard<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord Weare and Whitchurch<br>''water gyfforde''</span><!-- DE145 - Crowned variant -->		FW662_Giffard.svg\|662. Walter Giffard<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Weare and Whitchurch<br>''water gyfforde''</span><!-- DE145 - Crowned variant -->

	FW663_Bertram.svg\|663. Robert Bertram<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Bothal<br>''robart bertram''</span><!-- Robert (III) Bertram of Bothal, Northumberland + 1302 - Not Mitford (extinct) & not necessarily confounded - While the Mitford line is descended and adopted arms derived from Havise de Baillol, the Bothal line is actually from a second marriage (Merlay, barry Argent & Gules) and inherited Bothal from the Gisulph family (unk. arms). There's no early testimony for Bertram of Bothal and the esc. voided design originally for Mitford may only have been readopted later (Parliamentary Roll 1312) -->		FW663_Bertram.svg\|663. Robert Bertram<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Bothal<br>''robart bertram''</span><!-- Robert (III) Bertram of Bothal, Northumberland + 1302 - Not Mitford (extinct) & not necessarily confounded - While the Mitford line is descended and adopted arms derived from Havise de Baillol, the Bothal line is actually from a second marriage (Merlay, barry Argent & Gules) and inherited Bothal from the Gisulph family (unk. arms). There's no early testimony for Bertram of Bothal and the esc. voided design originally for Mitford may only have been readopted later (Parliamentary Roll 1312) -->

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	FW696_Crues.svg\|696. Robert de Crues<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Morchard, East Anstey and Little Darmouth<br>''robarte de arnes''</span><!-- Robert de Crues/Cruwys of Little Dartmouth, near Stoke Fleming, Devon - Crues/Crewes/Cruwys of Cruwys Morchard from baronny of Bradninch = Tracy heraldic group -->		FW696_Crues.svg\|696. Robert de Crues<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Morchard, East Anstey and Little Darmouth<br>''robarte de arnes''</span><!-- Robert de Crues/Cruwys of Little Dartmouth, near Stoke Fleming, Devon - Crues/Crewes/Cruwys of Cruwys Morchard from baronny of Bradninch = Tracy heraldic group -->
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	[[Herald's_Roll\|1-356]] \| [[Herald's_Roll (part II)\|357-591]] \| [[Herald's_Roll (part III)\|592-696]]<br>		[[Herald's_Roll (part I)\|1-356]] \| [[Herald's_Roll (part II)\|357-591]] \| [[Herald's_Roll (part III)\|592-696]]<br>

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-[[Herald's_Roll|1-356]] | [[Herald's_Roll (part II)|357-591]] | [[Herald's_Roll (part III)|592-697]]<br>
+[[Herald's_Roll|1-356]] | [[Herald's_Roll (part II)|357-591]] | [[Herald's_Roll (part III)|592-696]]<br>
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 FW681_Ore.svg|681. Nicholas de Ore<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ore and Guestling<br>''nichole de ere''</span><!-- DE75 -->
 FW682_St Clare.svg|682. William de St Clare<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Higham and Merston<br>Sheriff of Essex and Hereford<br>''william de seynclere''</span><!-- St Clare/Clere of Merston, vassals of Munchensy (which is DE64) // His son Robert changed the boar's heads for wolf's heads -->
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 FW668_Mandeville.svg|668. John de Mandeville<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Norton<br>''johan de mandevile''</span><!-- This item has been previously attributed to a confounded/inverted repeat of  John fitz John (+1275 of Shere, FW128) // It's far more likely to be Mandeville of Norton Mandeville. John (who actually goes by the name John de Mandeville unlike John fitz John) is the son of Ernald de Mandeville, 3rd husband (after 1220) of Galiena de Dammartin, heiress of Norton -->
 John de Engaine.svg|669. William d'Engaine<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Stow and Waresley<br>''william langayne''</span><!-- Engaine of Engeynes Manor, Waresley, Huntingdonshire -->
-<!-- William d'Engaine (670 in version A) is missing in the Herald's College version -->
+<!-- John d'Engaine (670 in version A) is missing in the Herald's College version -->
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	FW662_Giffard.svg\|662. Walter Giffard<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord Weare and Whitchurch<br>''water gyfforde''</span><!-- DE145 - Crowned variant -->		FW662_Giffard.svg\|662. Walter Giffard<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord Weare and Whitchurch<br>''water gyfforde''</span><!-- DE145 - Crowned variant -->

			FW663_Bertram.svg\|663. Robert Bertram<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Bothal<br>''robart bertram''</span><!-- Robert (III) Bertram of Bothal, Northumberland + 1302 - Not Mitford (extinct) & not necessarily confounded - While the Mitford line is descended and adopted arms derived from Havise de Baillol, the Bothal line is actually from a second marriage (Merlay, barry Argent & Gules) and inherited Bothal from the Gisulph family (unk. arms). There's no early testimony for Bertram of Bothal and the esc. voided design originally for Mitford may only have been readopted later (Parliamentary Roll 1312) -->
			FW664_Martyn.svg\|664. William Martyn<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Combe, Kemeys and Marwood<br>''william martyn''</span><!-- SG171 - Martyn/Martin/fitzMartin of Kemeys, Pembrokeshire - The ermine variant here could be derived from Mohun (cf 667) -->
			Latimer.svg\|665. William le Latimer<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Corby and Danby<br>''william latymer''</span><!-- SG54 -->
			FW666_Martyn.svg\|666. Warin Martyn<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">''warryn martyn''</span><!-- Warin Martyn is mentionned w/ William in the service of King Edward in Wales, and later commanding welsh troops in Scotland. Probably his brother's arms (664 & 666 inverted by herald/copy) -->
			Mohun Dunster.svg\|667. John de Mohun<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Dunster<br>''johan moun''</span><!-- Mohun Ancient (before 1298) John (II) +1279. His widow Eleanor fitzPiers married William Martyn (above 664) the same year // The connection with Queen Eleanor of Castile (her ward) may be important to identify the next item which I believe belongs to one of her relatives -->
			FW668_Mandeville.svg\|668. John de Mandeville<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Norton<br>''johan de mandevile''</span><!-- This item has been previously attributed to a confounded/inverted repeat of John fitz John (+1275 of Shere, FW128) // It's far more likely to be Mandeville of Norton Mandeville. John (who actually goes by the name John de Mandeville unlike John fitz John) is the son of Ernald de Mandeville, 3rd husband (after 1220) of Galiena de Dammartin, heiress of Norton -->
			John de Engaine.svg\|669. William d'Engaine<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Stow and Waresley<br>''william langayne''</span><!-- Engaine of Engeynes Manor, Waresley, Huntingdonshire -->
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 FW635_Foliot.svg|635. Richard Foliot<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Norton, Grimston and Wellow<br>''richard foliott''</span><!-- Yorks. +1299. Married Margery the sister & heir of Robert d'Estouteville of Gressenhall -->
 FW636_Nesle-Falvy.svg|636. Jean IV de Nesle-Falvy<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">''johan de nele''</span><!-- John de Nele, John de Falevy during Edward's reign (until 1286 at least) = Jean IV de Nesle (Jean II de Falvy), son of Jean III FW456. He is a close relative of the queen and was still in England in 1284 when app. custodian of several manors during minority of John de Beauchamp (Hacche, Somerset, Shiperton, Middlesex & Shepton, Somerset) -->
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 FW624_Mortimer_Chelmarsh.svg|624. John de Mortemer<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">''johan de mortemer''</span><!-- Mortimer of Chelmarsh - John son of Hugh + sp -->
 FW625_Boys.svg|625. Richard de Boys<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Sheet<br>''richard de boyes''</span><!-- A vassal of the Mortimer, he held Sheet near Ludlow and Wigmore -->
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	FW593_Lacy_Lincoln.svg\|593. Earl of Lincoln<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Henry de Lacy<br>''cunte de nichole''</span><!-- A correction/addition : Henry de Lacy, already repr. in FW45 (w/ ancient arms) who adopted the lion around the time of the roll (after 1274 poss. from wife Margaret Longuespee). FW593, FW606 : sable instead of purple (medieval heraldic purple, which is more of a grey-brown faded to sable, or sable as replacement) -->		FW593_Lacy_Lincoln.svg\|593. Earl of Lincoln<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Henry de Lacy<br>''cunte de nichole''</span><!-- A correction/addition : Henry de Lacy, already repr. in FW45 (w/ ancient arms) who adopted the lion around the time of the roll (after 1274 poss. from wife Margaret Longuespee). FW593, FW606 : sable instead of purple (medieval heraldic purple, which is more of a grey-brown faded to sable, or sable as replacement) -->
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	FW594_Kyme.svg\|594. Philip de Kyme<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Kyme, Ingham and Sotby<br>''philipe de kyme''</span><!-- DE205 - Crusily missing here -->		FW594_Kyme.svg\|594. Philip de Kyme<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Kyme, Ingham and Sotby<br>[[:File:Philip de Kyme.svg\|Incomplete]]<br>''philipe de kyme''</span><!-- DE205 - Crusily missing here -->
	Dering_204_Nicholas_de_Segrave.svg\|595. Nicholas de Segrave<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Seagrave and Mountsorrel<br>''nychole de segrave''</span><!-- DE204 -->		Dering_204_Nicholas_de_Segrave.svg\|595. Nicholas de Segrave<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Seagrave and Mountsorrel<br>''nychole de segrave''</span><!-- DE204 -->
	Mowbray.svg\|596. Roger de Mowbray<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Thirsk, Nuthurst and Epworth<br>''roger de mowmbray''</span><!-- DE203 -->		Mowbray.svg\|596. Roger de Mowbray<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Thirsk, Nuthurst and Epworth<br>''roger de mowmbray''</span><!-- DE203 -->

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	Dering 137 Robert de Livet.svg\|660. Robert de Livet<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Haselor<br>''robarte lyvett''</span><!-- DE137 -->		Dering 137 Robert de Livet.svg\|660. Robert de Livet<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Haselor<br>''robarte lyvett''</span><!-- DE137 -->
	FW661_Ashburnham.svg\|661. Richard de Ashburnham<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ashburnham<br>''rychard de eshburnham''</span><!-- DE129 - Mullets Or -->		FW661_Ashburnham.svg\|661. Richard de Ashburnham<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Ashburnham<br>''rychard de eshburnham''</span><!-- DE129 - Mullets Or -->
	FW662_Giffard.svg\|662. Walter Giffard<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord Weare and Whitchurch<br>''water gyfforde''</span><!-- DE145 - Crowned variant -->		FW662_Giffard.svg\|662. Walter Giffard<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Weare and Whitchurch<br>''water gyfforde''</span><!-- DE145 - Crowned variant -->

	FW663_Bertram.svg\|663. Robert Bertram<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Bothal<br>''robart bertram''</span><!-- Robert (III) Bertram of Bothal, Northumberland + 1302 - Not Mitford (extinct) & not necessarily confounded - While the Mitford line is descended and adopted arms derived from Havise de Baillol, the Bothal line is actually from a second marriage (Merlay, barry Argent & Gules) and inherited Bothal from the Gisulph family (unk. arms). There's no early testimony for Bertram of Bothal and the esc. voided design originally for Mitford may only have been readopted later (Parliamentary Roll 1312) -->		FW663_Bertram.svg\|663. Robert Bertram<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Bothal<br>''robart bertram''</span><!-- Robert (III) Bertram of Bothal, Northumberland + 1302 - Not Mitford (extinct) & not necessarily confounded - While the Mitford line is descended and adopted arms derived from Havise de Baillol, the Bothal line is actually from a second marriage (Merlay, barry Argent & Gules) and inherited Bothal from the Gisulph family (unk. arms). There's no early testimony for Bertram of Bothal and the esc. voided design originally for Mitford may only have been readopted later (Parliamentary Roll 1312) -->

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	FW593_Lacy_Lincoln.svg\|593. Earl of Lincoln<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Henry de Lacy<br>''cunte de nichole''</span><!-- A correction/addition : Henry de Lacy, already repr. in FW45 (w/ ancient arms) who adopted the lion around the time of the roll (after 1274 poss. from wife Margaret Longuespee). FW593, FW606 : sable instead of purple (medieval heraldic purple, which is more of a grey-brown faded to sable, or sable as replacement) -->		FW593_Lacy_Lincoln.svg\|593. Earl of Lincoln<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Henry de Lacy<br>''cunte de nichole''</span><!-- A correction/addition : Henry de Lacy, already repr. in FW45 (w/ ancient arms) who adopted the lion around the time of the roll (after 1274 poss. from wife Margaret Longuespee). FW593, FW606 : sable instead of purple (medieval heraldic purple, which is more of a grey-brown faded to sable, or sable as replacement) -->
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	FW594_Kyme.svg\|594. Philip de Kyme<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Kyme, Ingham and Sotby<br>''philipe de kyme''</span><!-- DE205 - Crusily missing here -->		FW594_Kyme.svg\|594. Philip de Kyme<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Kyme, Ingham and Sotby<br>[[:File:Philip de Kyme.svg\|Incomplete]]<br>''philipe de kyme''</span><!-- DE205 - Crusily missing here -->
	Dering_204_Nicholas_de_Segrave.svg\|595. Nicholas de Segrave<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Seagrave and Mountsorrel<br>''nychole de segrave''</span><!-- DE204 -->		Dering_204_Nicholas_de_Segrave.svg\|595. Nicholas de Segrave<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Seagrave and Mountsorrel<br>''nychole de segrave''</span><!-- DE204 -->
	Mowbray.svg\|596. Roger de Mowbray<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Thirsk, Nuthurst and Epworth<br>''roger de mowmbray''</span><!-- DE203 -->		Mowbray.svg\|596. Roger de Mowbray<br><span style="font-size:88%; line-height: 1.3em;">Lord of Thirsk, Nuthurst and Epworth<br>''roger de mowmbray''</span><!-- DE203 -->